HS, thank you so much for your lucid and even tempered rebuttal of their nonsense. I have just got home from a very long day at work and was not looking forward to the pain of hitting my head against their brick wall of ignorance yet again.
I am currently reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, it is extremely thought provoking and is a must read for anyone with an open mind.
well done, you spotted a couple of spelling mistakes. I'm deeply impressed, this obviously points to us being created by the flying spaghetti monster.
So who created the spaghetti monster?
Nuclear fusion creates dense elements from hydrogen, just as the big bang theory predicts.
I think that Creationists have had a hard time on this thread precisely because of your ill thought out ramblings.
your arguement is fatuous, a star is a very large hydrogen bomb - a hydrogen bomb that creates other more dense elements through nucleur fusion.
What's that sound? it must be your head exploding as your arguement crashes around your ears
what utter rubbish. There can be no such thing as a self existing "first cause", your arguement itself precludes it.
An "ad infinitum digression of cause and effect events", of course, it's what the future and past are madeof.
Where is your prooof of "his handi-work everywhere"? All I see are a vast number of geological and biological interactions which form the work in which we live. I don't need to believe in some phantom spaghetti monster to think our world is wonderful.
Vinny - you are a retard.
sorry if i that is the wrong spelling.
i just want to say that i used to be judgemental of athiests, but as a jw backer everyone on here finds nothing but wrong doing with the orginizations.
well i am sure i can find wrong doing with other churches and their teachings as well.
Interesting that you should accuse Atheists of circular logic.
If your "god" created the universe, who created god?
The atheist/evolutionist world view is of borne incredible curiosity, whereas the creationist worldview is borne of ignorance and love of ignorance.
What's that? you cannot explain how life came to be? it must be the flying spaghetti monster that created it!
The creationist viewpoint falls down at the basest of levels - if this world and the things in it are so complex and wonderful, surely their creator must be ultimately more complex and wonderful. If so then how did that creator get created, because surely if things that are complex need a creator then the creator itself needed to be intelligently designed.
Evolutionists look at the mountain of complexity of life and look for the small steps taken to move towards that complexity through random selection, creationists look at the mountain of complexity and assume that a god figure bounded from the base to the top.
the world is pretty awesome, god doesn't exist.
I hate to shatter your preconcieved ideas, but there is no secret underwear, and we don't predict the future.
You will find conspiracy theorists everywhere who all have an opinion on the Freemasons born of ignorance and wishful thinking. There may be some New World Order stuff at work amongst powerful people who happen to be Freemasons but Freemasonry itself is dedicated to enlightenment and charity.
how far do you allow the government tell you what to do?
do you allow governemt to make those dicisions for you?
When you say "some people deserve to die now" are you referring to those your government classifies as the enemy without any judgement from you, and so you just follow orders and kill them? I supposing that's what you mean from the context am I understanding you correctly?
My answer would have to be twofold - firstly if I were in military service then I would be expected to follow orders, including those to kill people. Part of the standing military law of both the US and UK (and Australia) are that military orders must be lawful and that a soldier is obliged NOT to follow orders that are not lawful, now that is obviously open to interpretation. If I were needlessly ordered to open fire on unarmed civilians then I think I would refuse, however if those unarmed civilians were causing a greater danger then I would carry out the order and open fire. So to answer that facet of your question I guess I would say no, under certain circumstances my judgement would be to not follow orders.
However, in saying that "some people deserve to die", I meant just that, that there are many circumstances where I would quite happily kill someone and not lose sleep over it. I find it surprising that anyone could say that there are no circumstances where they would kill, that person would have to be completely emotionless or unwilling to stand up and defend themselves.
No there are not Freemasons in the witnesses, the two things are not really compatible.
As Freemasons we believe in making the world a better place now by acting in a way that is governed by brotherly love, relief and truth. Being a witness means living a life that is ruled by conditional love, fear and lies.
